And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”. I can accept that students start with good, honorable intentions but at some point they have to give up their sincerity or honesty or at the very least their forthrightness to finish. Natural forces will play out regardless of our perceived ‘specialness’. This daily companion taps into Chassidic wisdom to help tackle life's tasks in a meaningful way. And even base and corrupt qualities can be uplifted to serve God. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. reply | flag * message 34: by Paul (last edited May 12, 2016 12:54PM) (new) May 12, 2016 12:53PM. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”. a story doesn't have to be factual to be true. Surrounded by their certainty, their food, their self-righteousness and their minivans. The Chassidic insights of the book is a bridge that will connect the reader's daily tasks with spirituality. "In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. novels are of no use to you? You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text. Assholes exist in every demographic. they probably rationalize that even god can have a bad day. (what will i do there?) @RichCC i believe in looking closely lol. You know, like gay people, and atheists. And is not doing any help to justify his metaphysical beliefs. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. There are about as many ways to disbelieve as there are ways to believe — different degrees, different emphases, and different expressions. The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. The story assumes that a theological belief is more valid if it makes humans behave better. "For the moment". Buber wrote these tales based on the lore of the Baal Shem Tov.Many of the stories are parables passed down via both the written and spoken word. On Sunday, January 31, Rabbi Dr. Abraham J. Twerski – a preeminent American chasidic psychiatrist who popularized addiction treatment in the Orthodox community – passed away in … I had no idea what I was going to do. What's that old story that no one ever sincerely goes to Seminary school and graduates believing in God? It covers anyone who doesn’t believe in a supernatural god or gods. Can you actually imagine a god that requires worship being worth anything at all? For if someone comes to you and asks your help, you shall not turn him off with pious words, saying: 'Have faith and take your troubles to God!' The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. We rely on members to let us know when posts contain content that violiate the, Your Reports Help Protect the Agnostic Community, Chat or rant, adult content, spam, insulting other members. A blog applying the wisdom of the Kotzker Rebbe to contemporary Jewish issues. @benhmiller well THAT's ridiculous. Can’t go wrong there! As an atheist I respect and thank you all. Part 2 Three more topics about Atheism: 3. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. if it's written well it has truth in it even if the facts are out of this world! The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Even if not fair. But at that point I will have lost a lot of respect for them. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing, etc. Agnostic.com is a non-profit community for atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers, skeptics and others. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. … At that point my bs detector goes off the scale and I reach the limit of my ability to suspend disbelief. The deans gave him the choice between renouncing his writings or facing expulsion. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? you only read nonfiction? I'd like to blame God for the Republicans, in fact that is the only reason I can think of, so I may have to rethink this agnosticsm/atheism thing. I'll stick with being a good atheist always. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. For reference, here is the original story as told in Martin Buber’s Tales of the Hasidim: "There is no quality and there is no power of man that was created to no purpose. (they're only useless if you believe they're factual; they're not useless in terms of giving children an outlet for their fears and other emotions). razairazerci: religiousragings: There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. @benhmiller , But under that umbrella are many shades and grades of disbelief and many people with different […] Are Atheists over or under ... "There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Bad analogy. Tales of the Hasidim is a book of collected tales by Martin Buber.It is based on stories—both written and spoken—based in the Hasidim. Since they're axiomatic, there's no really ability to argue one over the other. Honestly, I think what you're getting at is one of the underlying arguments in a large amount of debate between atheists and religious people. They are reliant on the objective outcomes of the act. In a day's time I generally try to commit at least one random act of kindness. Instead, they resort to insults and name-calling. They can never answer that. um, no, that's not what the story says at ALL! The religious context makes some people think they are special creations and this anthropocentric view distorts our lived experience. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. … The Master [teacher] teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists… Atheist ex-Muslim here, I wish my community was half as nice as yours . I'm sorry but that level is past my limit. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. Why did God create them?”, The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. We have always had a need to create god's as well as morality tales, Because someone has to think reasonably for the majority of bone heads in the world. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Then of course they want you to come back (in time to give money I presume). To me it is a form of altruism. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. If God exists (I am agnostic) then He wants us to be kind. @callmedubious all knowing and all powerful and perfect, “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”. but one of my favorite stories has the ba'al shem tov in it (he existed, and was considered by some to be the messiah, but of course never said he was the messiah -- he founded chassidism, which has in many ways become the opposite of what the besht, as he is abbreviated, intended -- at any rate it's about the difference between speaking and listening), one of my favorite jokes has st. peter in it (and i was never even christian! A question I have posed to many christians (and one that always seems to They were call atheist. It’s good to know that there are some Jews that don’t see a conflict. Hasidic tale about atheism Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. This is also often why these people find themselves talking past each other. I'm proud to be a part of a people that accepts atheists such as myself. Op meant the nice ones. He does not believe that god commanded him to perform this act. The lengthy history of Hasidism, the numerous schools of thought therein, and particularly its use of the traditional medium of homiletic literature and sermons – comprising numerous references to earlier sources in the Torah, Talmud and exegesis as a means to grounding oneself in tradition – as the almost sole channel to convey its ideas, all made the isolation of a common doctrine highly challenging to … There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Eventually the underlying premise becomes unsustainable. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Isn't it better to do all these acts of charity out of wanting the world to be a better place than appeasing something partly your own benefit? gotta keep the believers scared shitless of retribution. you don't have to believe in any gods to appreciate it. I've seen this one a few times here before. hang them up) is, if your god created everything, isn't it wrong for you to @benhmiller. Birth defects and diseases that kill and cripple. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. It seems a really base need for such an advanced being. It doesn't require a god or memorizing biblical fables. btw, sf is a good example of the usefulness of things that are true without being factual. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God Created everything in the wordl to be appreciated since everything is here to teach us a lesson. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button. -- anyway it's an anti-dan quayle joke and translates beautifully into an anti-trump joke) and another one of my favorite stories has god, the devil and a bit of magic in it (it's about literacy). When, for example, haughty self-assurance is uplifted it changes into high assurance in the ways of God. Just to piss"them" off. Unfortunately, in the world of fundamentalism that idea has been completely forgotten. you're not supposed to suspend disbelief. Harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, Teach them to be respectful or ignore them. “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, **you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’**Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you. Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. The Rabbi completely misses the point here. Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these d… disrespect ANY of your god's creations? You shall act as if there were no God, as if there were only one person in all the world who could help this man - only yourself.". Atheism (having no belief in a god or goddess, or actively denying the existence of a deity.) The Chassidic classic HaYom Yom in a new English translation. But there are limits. if there is a god why did it make so much fucked shit like poison plants and animals. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Martin Buber was one of the great existential philosophers. I think it’s one of the most beautiful things about our people. That's not the point and that's not what atheism means. '” If there is redemption in religion, I believe it is when people come to understand this story. @genessa sorry the facts are what makes a story true other wise it is just a story made up! “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’” Why Did God Create Atheists? The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach a lesson. Except for the part about religious Students or especially Masters being right or moral. Why Did God Create Atheists? God I hate this. Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. This too can be uplifted through deeds of charity. Very good. I get were do i get my morals from being atheist I tell them don't need to rewarded or threatened to know what is right. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I had no education beyond Jewish Talmudic studies. There is a similar story about the Kotzker and a man who comes to him for help with problems in emunah --- that one is also often retold in a distorted way. factual and true are NOT the same. One clever … I think this is illegal. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I wonder how many believers would then think this through to its logical conclusion, which would be to see that they did not need to invoke god to do the right thing by their fellow humans, but in fact were better able to help than any prayer could......so by extension, that belief in god is completely superfluous! Why did God create them?” I hated all of it, so I left and entered a world full of uncertainty and a broad spectrum of ideas about right and wrong. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. But this is literally one main reason why atheists have trouble with the idea of gods. A point also often made by Christopher Hitchens, but with a somewhat different lesson intended. I won't disassociate myself from someone over that sort of idea. God did not create atheist, Man create GOD to control man and thinking and some did not go along with it and they were killed. Why no compromise of principles and no suspension of disbelief beyond the usual is necessary. Suspending disbelief in statements that later turn out to be difficult doesn't detract from the story. One of my earliest scifi reads was Cities In Flight by James Blish. 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